it was sort of anti-governmentalism taken to a violent extreme. and i think in the way had a lot to do with politics with bill clinton and the politics of the '90s. i think this is different. because i think there's no evidence so far that jared loughner had anything political on his mind whatsoever. it's harder to make that kind of connection. i think what this means politically is that barack obama rose to an occasion here that i do think people will remember as a leader and as a person that will make it harder for him to be demonized in the future. >> howard fineman, thanks for your time tonight. it was the right idea but the right wasn't interested. what destroyed the civility project? incivility from the right next.