into elections in the state of texas. no corporate funds ever made it to elections in the state of texas. so, you can't have money laundering. that's the appeal. and i think -- i think we'll win pau because if you look at the law, it's on my side. >> well, i think the nub of your disagreement with the court, the yir and the judge, is what happened to the money after it got to the rnc. what the jury is judge is saying is they believe that money went straight back to texas. you guys are saying, to, no, no went to other places. >> that's right. >> the judge does say that this is a novel case. and because it's a novel case, there could easily be an outcome on appeal that is favorable to you and reverses his findings. one of the reasons he says it's a novel case is he says, i didn't find anybody else who's aware of any other situation in which a local state political action committee exchanged money with the rnc because everybody