not as graphically, i'm not drawing any false analogies here. but there were also lists on the democratic side that targeted this woman who voted against nancy pelosi. she got it from both sides politically, didn't she, jeff? >> she did. in fact, my last conversation with her was on the floor of the house on wednesday after she had made that vote. we talked about that. she had supported some of my efforts earlier last year on earmarks, and i don't think her leadership was too happy with either. so she did, from the left and the right. she took some heat and just like we know from her moving about her district, she went about it anyway. so that's what i think everybody loves about her. >> debbie, certainly, even if you didn't agree with her, i'm sure you certainly respected her