become so divisive because of what government is doing or shouldn't be doing. is it doing something to you or something for you? how do you avoid the debate becoming this fundamental and this divisive when those are the issues at stake? >> you have to continue with the debate. it's the way you present the debate. it's the words you use, some of the rhetoric you use. we can't use this as a moment to stifle one side or the other. we can't use this as a moment to say that side doesn't have a right anymore to talk about the issues that they're passionate about. i think it's just our job as leaders to show that we can talk about these issues and talk about them in a rational way. i saw something, as i walked in this morning. i saw two members of congress from two different sides giving each other a hug. i think maybe people need to see that more often, even though we disagree passionate ly about th issue, that we can actually get along and we're actually friends. >> and i agree. and trent frank and i are friends and we work together, you know.