nobody who has been there -- i think mitch mcconnell used the line, we didn't think there was anybody there that had ever run a lemonade stand. we're glad to see that they picked somebody like bill daley there. what i found interesting is, despite their -- you see some criticism from the left in the blogosphere. you're not really seeing a ton of anger from the leading liberal elected officials. >> brian, what was your overall take of john boehner? newt gingrich -- when you interviewed gingrich in '94-'95, you knew this was something he sought his entire life, a much different man, as lesley said than john boehner. what do you pick up from bane sner. >> politics aside, nut gingrich was kind of the nation's historian. so many answers he would begin with the words, what you have to understand is. that's just not at all john