>> chief javelin catcher in the administration. mythologized. it was president nixon who mill tarized the title. prior to that, that job was called appointment secretaries. president kennedy had an appointment secretary. nobody thought that the appointment secretary ran the white house. have we gone it too far in our interpretation of just how powerful you white house chief of staffs actually are? >> well, you are a fellow chief of staff in your service with senator moynahan, which was quite powerful as i recall it. you make a fair point. your history is correct. jim baker likes to say, it is chief of staff and it is chief and it is of staff. which means you serve as the pleasure of the president and you are a member of the president's staff. i think that's the proper perspective. each president and every chief