bottom line is nothing is being held. >> they can't hold it. david? >> i don't think there's uniformity of belief even among tea party candidates. i did a debate in the course of the campaign with marco rubio down in florida. he doesn't want to see any deadlines. if general petraeus says we need additional troops, he indicated during the campaign he would support it. i agree with you, the likes of rand paul, you made the point when we talked that when you frame the after garn stan debate in terms of dollars rather than mission, it changes the level of support. we have to remember about the awareness of the terror threats against the country. it takes a millie second to ratchet that back opinion. i think any policy make ser able to draw a line through all the areas of danger in pakistan, in the tribal areas and afghanistan to say we've got to be there to keep disrupting any potential plots. >> i think you have to make the