goes to strom thurmond. but we want to talk more about all of this with mark whitaker. mark, if you're a fly on the wall and i'm talking about the wall in the oval office with the meeting between clinton and president obama, what is happening right now and how cordial is this relationship? >> first of all, i think they're probably joking about the fact that we're all out here trying to speculate about what they're talking about. it was a previously scheduled meeting before all of this tax cut legislation came forward, but the fact is they have to be talking about the current political and economic situation because there is one person in the world who knows what it's like to be a president halfway through your first term where you just lost the house and where people are doubting your leadership besides barack obama and that's bill clinton. >> we have a clinton in the cabinet and now back in the oval