he was very familiar with the bill. he said he had read the bill and had multiple conversations with david about it for a long time. he wouldn't take a position on. but he said it comes from a loving place. he said the punishments in it are loving punishments. he seemed to think that the death penalty was going to go away but everything else might be loving. he said that it came from what he described in david bahati as a beautiful place. that was his view. he seemed puzzled by why people were concerned about it. i asked him whether he supported criminalization of homosexuality. he said, it depends on the circumstances. he thought that was a mainstream position. >> what is the connection? how direct do you see the connection between american supporters of mr. bahati, between the family specifically and this bill that bahati is promoting? >> i'm glad you said american support.