education, et cetera, that's the base argument behind tax cuts, money printing at the federal reserve, stimulus money. i don't care where you get the money from. and at the same time, we never see any real debate about the fact that we do have rig trade, that we do have a financial system that is not incentivized to drive lending in our country. so the only reason why you would create that money would to be try to solve the problem which is lack of investment, lack of innovation, and no one seems to be having that conversation. >> well, it does need to be had. you're right. but right now we need the economic certainty. the businesses small and big, mom and pop to the biggest corporations we have, they don't know what their taxes are going to be even 45 days from now. that uncertainty makes capital resistant to make investment. until it makes that investment, we'll have stagnant unemployment rates which are just totally up