enjoy politics the way, say, bill clinton, just loved the game, the way ronald reagan got the game, do they just not like getting out there and politicking? >> i don't think they like it right now. i think they liked it a lot when they were winning. my sense of talking to some folks is that they are rocked back on their heels because -- i think this is a point you made before, this happens to democrats more than republicans because they expect the press to be one of their constituents. when the press turns on them, it's particularly bitter. republicans don't expect the press to be with them, democrats kind of do, particularly given the mccain palin -- i read a book about this -- drama. my sense is that they really, really are depressed. >> i don't think they've ever -- >> i don't ever use -- i use that word advisedly.