>> have you ever talked to this character, this reverend -- i don't know what kind of religion he represents. >> i don't think they are a church. they are a group of maybe 60 people right now. >> i want you to look down at the picture right here. you folks have gone through this hell. thank you for the service of your family. look at these kids, these people bring their kids to do this stuff. these kids are going to grow up and see these pictures. look at the grown-ups, are they all crazy people? who are they? >> their church is less than a mile from my office. we see this almost every day in kansas. they are exporting it to kansas. look at the sign. that breaks your heart. >> are they moron's? >> they claim it is a fundamental, bible-based view. >> i am talking about basic