with china, then you hurt ge and caterpillar even if you hurt america and that puts the people in d.c. in a heck of a situation. >> a story "the new york times" this morning, these big companies are hoarding cash. borrowing money for nothing. >> i know. >> don't have enough confidence to move forward. even overseas, they're not spending a money. >> you look at the flow of money from our corporations from the american tax space, using american corporations in our banking system to take money out and put it into china and other countries, it's what has been going on. if you look where it has gone, why is there no lending, it's because the political architecture for business, you have these businesses that are long global development, but if you talk to american businesses, talk to people -- new core steel, nobody letting me bid on