tightening our belt at home. look what they're doing in washington. that's the message right there. >> i understand, and i understand the politics of that. but on the substance, this is what you need to do when demand flags, the demand of last resort is the government, is the public sector. >> so you're a keynesian. >> sure. not even a keynesian in any kind of -- >> you think tax cuts are good? >> not for the wealthy, right? the whole idea is how they get into the economy and stimulate demand. there's a huge difference, if you look at other people's numbers, about the bang for buck you get in terms of added demand for cutting taxes for people making $50,000, $60,000 and people making $2 million. >> i'm thinking ahead to the alabama-duke game this weekend. >> can i make one point? the populism on the left and right has a real negative effect on our economy and moving forward. we concentrate on the ultra rich