governor strickland has helped bring to the area and it resonates with people. you've got to have that, and it really -- people respond when we talk about it. it's real, it's coming, and we also tell them that we've been cleaning up wall street's mess and it's not all cleaned up yet, but we have to keep doing it. and i would hardly trust wall street to clean up its mess when it object admit when it's responsible for what it's done. >> karen, i worry about one thing economically in this country, and everybody has a brain worries about it, automation and productivity are great things. it's great that we have machines and tools that can make better machines. but unfortunately at a certain point, we're making people redundant. there's cost cutting, job cutting and every industry i can think of to keep the dow jones averages up, to keep the profits up. at some point, are we going to have to deal with this problem,