>> ed, first of all, i totally agree with you that there's too much concern in washington about political credit. there's too much pandering. there's too much not addressing the core issues. but the difficulty is, we have the heritage foundation has what's called aç dependence index. in the last year alone, the quality or quantity of dependence on the federal government has gone up by 13%. >> of course it has. the ons have been outsourced. damn right it's gone up. >> it's not just out sourcing. >> the money on the table for community banks and the republicans are against that. >> but that's small potate toes compared to the $1.8 trillion that is being held close by companies because they're fearful of what will government is doing to them already. >> this country. >> and is about to do again. that's a federal reserve figure. >> this country was not built on fear. >> right. >> the settlers that came across america did it for the gusto,