third one tells her and they are from the deputy under secretary and tell her to pull over to the side of the road an resign immediately because you're going to be on glenn beck. and i believe the woman said, from the agriculture, the white house is demanding this or something. if this is true, this is a sign of fear and panic. >> it is, pat. and, also, none of us here, i would guess, believe that tom vilsack made this decision without talking to somebody in the white house political shop. i'm sorry. anybody that's been around washington more than two hours knows that story doesn't wash, does it, mike, does it, pat, does it, norah? >> i don't believe it does. >> the white house says the president was informed after the series of phone calls and after shirley sherrod submitted her resignation. i think one thing worth examining is the motivation. >> hold on a second, norah. the president agreed with her firing, though, right?