they're saying he may have broke? i say this in this respect. i hate to be this cynical of politics but take away the four-letter words, okay, and some of the crazy things he said, did he actually do any of these things he said he was going to do? >> chuck, you have just framed his defense. it is that behind closed doors, politicians say a lot of stuff. there's an awful lot of horse trading, whether it's explicit or implicit but he didn't trade any jobs, he didn't stop any legislation. so you're right. his defense is exactly how you expressed that. >> carol, let's talk about some of the folks on the defense witness list. of course, washington is watching because there's some household names including the chief of staff rahm emanuel, valerie jarrett, senior adviser to the president. what's your best guess as to whether they'll be called? does the prosecution try to