public disclosure or in anything else that i've seen. we did find the word "shut-in" in the letter from bob dudley to admiral allen on friday. but no talk about this. so i'm completely confused as to why they're taking this risk of damaging the well further. >> so you -- and you have no even guess as to what they're doing or what they might be doing and telling us that they're doing this? >> well, i have a guess. my guess is that they're hoping to be able to shut down at least some of the production from the well so once they open it back up, or open it to the surface through the q-4000 and the helix producer, that it will be producing at a rate less than what it was open flow. so it will be harder to measure what the total flow was from the well when it was completely uncontrolled. >> so they're still doing -- taking steps to indemnify bp rather than the best available practices to shut down the disaster on the gulf floor? >> that's the only thing i can