joining us now to talk about that, joe rollinen. >> good to see you. >> thanks for inviting me. >> people talk about the money lebron could make and what that means for his pockets. what this means for cleveland and the surrounding area if he decides to pack his bags and leave. how big of an economic blow would it be to cleveland? >> well, certainly, we're hoping that lebron stays here. lebron fills the seats. he's an automatic full house, which means he's an automatic full house for restaurants and hotels and the like. so, clearly, he brings dollars to cleveland. but a loss of lebron and, by the way, i think he is going to stay here -- >> i do, too. >> a loss of lebron does not take the economic impact of the cleveland cavaliers from what it is today to zero. and i'm confident that even without lebron, our current owner is going to make sure that we have a very competitive team playing at the q. so, he's a big part of our