been changed. congress gave him an assignment to design a national seal for the new nation. the image he proposed showed or would have shown the children of israel, the hebrews leaving on the exodus and the pillar of fire by night. that's a remarkable biblical image. >> for sure. >> so many other remarkable stories about jeffer and the other founders talking about the faith and how important it was. mark, there is a real disconnect not just going back to the fun toing fathers, but you read the words of fdr or john f. kennedy. >> there was a continuation of continuity from the founders from almost all of the presidents. it's distorted in the last few years because that's when the