i take it very seriously. i just don't take it literally. >> but wait one minute. what carlton was thinking at least according to millions of christian americans was heresy. but by now he felt convinced that the church's teaching about reward and punishment was simply wrong. and he began to get his head around some ideas he never would have contemplated before that remarkable night in front of his tv set. if jesus had come to save everybody, born again or not, it meant that heaven was accommodating some pretty strange bedfellows. hitler's in heaven? >> yes. >> do you think hitler's more powerful than the blood of jesus? i mean, i got a hell for to put a lot of people in. i would send hitler and -- and i would send people to hell but i'm not god. he's the atoning sacrifice for