countries in europe and elsewhere, that it's okay that you don't have to take all of these austerity measures and that somebody's going to be there to prop them up. >> the countries include portugal and spain, ireland. >> the piig. >> portugal, ireland, italy and greece and spain. >> and spain. >> you know, mika, for the past generation, we conservatives have had to hear about how immoral we are, how cold we are, how heartless we are because we've been trying to restrain the explosive growth of governments in the west. this is where that has led us. and it's not just the liberals' fault. the radicals' fault for constantly -- just just across river in new jersey, it's also conservatives' fault for not standing up and being able to make the intellectual argument that, in fact, this is the moral thing to do. sometimes the moral thing to do