a source of votes. the republicans see legal and illegal immigration as a source of cheap labor. those are the elites in the party. they do not want secure borders. that is the basic -- american people, absolutely. but you know what? the people who are running the show on both sides get benefit out of open borders. that's why, chris, that's why you're being a dreamer to think we can change that unless the people of this country do what the people of arizona have done. >> i'm not a complete dreamer because people like joe lieberman, who i disagree with a lot of times, and lindsey graham, a little more conservative than i am to put it following, both have a plan out with john kerry to do the following. real check on people to see they're not lying when looking for a job. strengthen the border if you have to. process for temporary workers to come work here. and a path for the people who are here and have been here a long time to become american. that seems to be a reasonable, middle of the road solution. you think the guys like -- you think people like reid are really for it? do you think the democrats are really for it and the republicans are really for it?