>> well, what we've seen to an extent not acknowledged by people doing research in this area, we've seen a huge association between violent crime and all manners of crime with illegal immigration. i mentioned before, we had 250 murders in the city of phoenix in 2006. that's now down to 125. >> how does stopping a person because you think they're here illegally, stop crime? how does it work? >> i'll repeat it again. >> you repeat it but you're not helping me. how do you stop a guy from murdering somebody or robbing a house or someone on the street by throwing someone out of the country who is here illegally. you pick up people. are you intimidating people? >> you arrest somebody for a burglary and you do an immigration check. you find out they're here illegal. you start the deportation process. you get that going. so it's the association between