but i think the people around him have warned him that when he turns up the populous rhetoric, it doesn't help matters. >> vicky, he gave us neither the rhetoric or -- today. a lot of people like dylan might say it's time for the president to clearly identify himself as a lobbiest for the people against the best lobbiests in the country who are against him. >> sorry, chris, what's the question? i mean, i agree with dylan on almost everything he says. >> both the rhettic and realitity of this program isn't you have to snuff. >> yes, i do. i think he was too nebulous and i think the bill is too nebulous as it stands, but i think that having said that, what your guests were saying earler, i think andrea makes a good point. senator shelby has decided to