policies? >> if the kind of spending that we've seen in the last year and a half were the case, absolutely. but i don't think that's likely to have been the case. what's happened, chris, is that the overspending has accelerated. not simply that it existed back in the bush years, of course it did. but then it got worse. so that's where it started, now it's expanded. >> well part of the problem, sir, and you know as well as i do, we all study kensyn economics. this president was hit by a -- what could have been a second great depression, that's just my argument. we could have been in worse shape. that's my argument. i accept yours, you were very well spoken tonight. thank you for explaining your cause, i think there's a lot more crazy thinking in your crowd than you're willing to admit. but that's based upon the poll data we have tonight. >> that's your wishful thinking, chris. >> well it's "the new york times" poll. maybe that's the same thing. thank you, ryan hecker and colin