very profound point. he said if he could put someone on the moon we ought to be able to figure out how to mine safely in this country. joining me now, bob federer, he's senior mine safety and health specialist in the mine safety program at the colorado school of mines. this is a tough one, bob. there's no doubt about it, but you can't get away from the politics of this. there is a mindset here with one party that does not respect labor and there is another mindset from a party that believes that we have to do more to keep workers safe. where do you come down on this? how do you see this whole situation? >> well, let me give you some facts here, just to start this off before we get into the discussions. in 2006 we had the sago mine disaster that killed nine people. after that, another mine