perrin texas talking about secession and nullification and all this lingo you and i studied in school way back in the civil war, all coming out and somebody ripping the scab off this, why are the conservatives pushing this fight? >> i do think there's race involved in it because the parties are so separate and people play to their base. the democratic party has mostly african-american support and the republicans don't. they're just playing to their base. it's unfortunate. you need leadership. i think the chuck percent sis, nelson rockefellers, bob dole's, that type of person isn't around anymore. they need moderates within the republican party but not in leadership, these people talking about secession, sounds like nullification and ripping off their lips, not the kind of language you need to bring american together. they talk about bi partnershpar