for everybody ten hours of conservative talk. so, ed, i think the fairness doctrine would just require -- i'd be for bringing it back. what it would require is that every station has to have a mix of voices. you can't just be all far right. there's more than that i think we need -- just quickly. we need to do something. you touched on it. about ownership. because today a company could go in, buy all the stations in one town like here in washington, d.c., and put on all right-wing programming and that market is not served. >> holland, that's the issue. you have companies come in, they own a bunch of signals. they own the a.m. signals and then they're conservative and there goes the balance. there is no balance. would the fairness doctrine clean that up? >> the founders gave us a fairness doctrine based on scarcity. this was before fax machines, let alone pod casting and blogging and msnbc. i think the reason we're not going to see a fairness dokt rin is as a practical matter it's