company abuses and that in order for us to do that we are going to have to make some changes in the status quo that we've been debating for a year. >> now let's bring in fox news watcher chris hayes washington editor of the "nation" magazine. chris, why did the president go on fox? >> that is a really good question. i think he must think fox has a lot of viewers and that some percentage of those viewers are persuadable still at this late stage. there are people watching those programs that vice president made up their mind or he can cut through the misinformation that's been so prominent on fox itself to get to them. i don't know if that is a correct judgment but that's clearly what is motivating him going on. >> were you surprised by the interview style, that kind of interruption. i'm thinking back and i can't remember a televised presidential interview of that kind where there was that kind