'96, newt was able to see things collapse, everybody turned on newt. people are get skeptical in the caucus. >> they are. panic is starting to set in, and with members seeking re-election, they are torn, whoever benefits from switching sides and exposing themselves to the john kerry flip-flop and with the wind surfing. you never, ever help yourself by switching one way or the other. one question is the retirees. here is the key question. if you were announcing you were retiring from congress, whether you switch your no vote to yes, that's an indication if i'm going back home or stay in washington and lobby. >> exactly. obviously, everyone is following you on the capital for sometime.