in bills, and she just got a rate increase of 40%. how in the world does that work? how does that math work? frankly, we didn't get very good answers. >> you're pushing for more answers. >> you bet. >> what do you hope to achieve? >> i think at the very least the american public has to understand what is going on. what are the justifications for rate increases which are so far ahead of medical trends, how much of the company's collecting in overhead profit, how much are they paying ceos and how much are they paying in medical trends. the insurance executive said it's passing along costs but that's what the profit statements say. when profit goes up 50% from '09 to -- i mean '08 to '09. they filed $12.7 billion of profits and turn around and say we need 40% rate increases, 60% in illinois, we need at least to shine a bright light until we