the secrecy makes it hard to report on as well as to describe what these things mean. we know that when bart stupak introduced the abortion related amendment in the house, he co-sponsored it with joe pitts, who is reported widely to be another member of the family, but mr. pitts says, he has nothing to do with them. that's a challenge for reporting as well. >> it's really hard, absolutely. really hard for us to be able to learn anything. if we can shed a little bit of light on the organization. if they would open the door and invite us into a conversation maybe they could assure us or maybe we could have some of those questions that you have been digging at and digging at answered for us. >> as we talked about them, the family has recently claimed that it has nothing to do with the c. street house. i understand you have heard from some affiliates from the family since your complaint went public and made a big splash. is that true? >> i was contacted by a couple of folks. one, a gentleman from columbus,