this is strong, almost constitutional type challenging to washington here. >> well, you know, to wayne's point, chris, you wouldn't think that the tenth amendment state's rights in secession would be the basis of a great formula for a campaign. but that's what rick perry has done. i think to wayne's point, perry was very, very smart. he saw the energy in the tea party movement and he was among the first elected officials anywhere in the country to put his name to it, appearing at rallies and that sort of thing. in doing it, he co-operated a lot of anger on the far right. i think we would be talking more about deborah medina potentially if rick perry hadn't done that. it shows you how many people are in the group on the right that perry is leading. deborah medina, i talk to some people, say she could wind up finishing second. it's a big group of people in texas of the we don't want to necessarily extrapolate it to the entire united states. dismissing the anger on the right, maybe the anger generally, as just a fringe, it's clearly not just a fringe.