people and that's the big, big unknown. and that's what may keep us there years longer than even the president thought we might be there. >> but right now, over the past month, americans have had great success tracking down the taliban, right? arresting taliban members and killing taliban members. >> yes, we have had great success. and i mean the administration again to its credit is being moderate about it. it's not pumping its chest and saying we're doing extraordinarily well. they don't want to -- >> no "mission accomplished" banners yet? >> not yet, joe. and the other thing we found out -- i'm no military expert -- the taliban do melt back into the countryside. this he do have some support among the people. one of the things our story talks about is how in fact, you know, before the invasion of marjah, general mcchrystal actually did a poll of afghani people in marjah to see whether they would support a new government and a u.s. presence.