talked about them as a cosponsor in months and weeks leading up to this. and i said, do you feel any friction in dealing with the buckly-ite conservative core folks, because william buckley compiled you for a generation or more. since the '60s, they've been exiled since the way he ran them out of the movement. and the president of the john birch society had in his backpack a book he had wrote about what a bad guy william buckley was, but they were not demonstrating that, they were not offering that for sale and showing that -- proffering that as their wares to the cpac audience. >> this is not your father or grandfather's conservative movement. >> that's exactly right. gene robinson, thank you so much. >> great to be here, rachel. >> gene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist and associate editor at "the washington post". also an msnbc political analyst. okay, there is more to come on my illuminating day at cpac. wait until you see my awesome ronald reagan calendar. plus, the obama administration completely agro