i mean you're the guy to ask because your you've been watching society from the streets from years and years now. where are we going? where is the pendulum swinging here? >> swinging to the point where we fold like a cheap camera, we surrender, wave the white flag and the criminals take advantage. that's why i started the garden angels. yesterday with was our 31st anniversary. we're in 140 cities because of these scenarios. we train citizens to make citizen arrests, conduct physical interventions. after doing it for thousands of times, how many times do you think we've been sued? none. >> does that mean in this situation where the guardian angel would have stepped in. >> they would have risked life and limb, gotten in between the competing groups because it's always group on group at times or it's a group attacking one person, and would have physically risked their life and made a citizen arrest so the culprit or culprits whoever was responsible, patrolling in groups of four or more, do it as a group you're able to protect