conservative republican primary voting constituency. >> jim, you think she knew what she was saying when she said nullification in her position? and that rick perry knows what he means when he says secession? >> i don't think there's any question about it, chris. i don't think they're doing a very good job of hiding it. if you look at the crowds, they're not exactly diverse crowds out there. the governor says we're part of the union. if we are, why is he saying no to stimulus funds to help our schools, to help everybody else in this state. i'd also like to ask people if there were people from the democratic party, representing barack obama, or even bill clinton, running around the country saying secession, they would be called the most vial anti-american types of individuals you could ever come across. >> we've gotten used to, wayne, first, we've gotten used to allow people to go as far right as they want to go and somehow claim they're more american than anybody else. somehow the notion if you're for secession, interposition, nullification, you're more