trial of alleged 9/11 terrorists. wyoming senator john barrasso is one of them kind enough to join us tonight. senator, good have to you with us. senator, i just want to point out something from the mcclatchey newspapers. they point out the cans vags advocacy group in washington says civilian courts have convicted more than 200 accused terrorists since 2001 attacks while military commissions created by congress have convicted only three. what's wrong with ksm in a civilian court? are you afraid that we wouldn't get justice? >> this is wrong for a number of reasons. the cost issue, the security issue, and it's just not appropriate. you talked about that large number. those aren't people that actually attacked the united states. that's not al qaeda terrorists. those are people who may have perjured themselves or been issues of illegal immigration. we're not talking about the terrorists who have come here to kill us and who have killed