books. he couldn't even get on the board of trustee of his own college until two years before he died. sure, morta martyrdom swept awa allegations. but loretta scott king ensured that he would have a national holiday and memorialization. i think the same with winnie mandela, that she did extraordinary work. there's been a gender attack on her that i think has been subversive and unfortunate. yes, there are things about her that we can be extremely critical. but to appreciate the extraordinary work she had to do, her suffering in prison, of brutalized and stood up in a very powerful way to make sure that nelson mandela, the image and the icon, would carry the work of their movement forward. >> so many sacrifices by winnie mandela, as well, byron pitts in the stadium right now. how are they reacting to the speakers so far?