conversations with hollywood greats and now he withdrew from the reach of his family. you say that from, what is it 1984 to 1992 you saw michael maybe three times a year during that period? >> yes. >> reporter: you sent him letters? >> yes. >> reporter: packages he never responded to any of them? >> no. >> reporter: why didn't he want to see you, jermaine? >> it's not that he didn't want to see me. >> reporter: he could have picked you up and seen you any time he wanted. >> no, michael don't call. michael, can you imagine him having a phone? it's like the president having a cell phone. it could have been a lot of influence from outside people saying your family is going to hold you back. >> reporter: still jermaine says their brotherly love never wavered until june 25th, 2009, and one last look at the little brother he loved on his deathbed. >> there he was laying there, la toya was there before us, and he was lifeless.