excellent appeal issue. >> neil: let me -- i appreciate your patience, ted. you're a former detective, a law and order guy. we know what happened after floyd's death. but it ignited a nationwide movement to defunding police. i've taken a look at how police conduct their jobs and whether they're fair to arms, minorities in general. has this trial and now this sentencing, 22 1/2 years, isolated the incident enough to say that we move on, defunding the police movement went too far, the president himself seemed to indicate with his own crime legislation or push that we've got to find a better balance. where do you think this goes from here? >> you know, it's scary as to where i believe it's going from here, neil. i think there's individuals out