catholic charities, they present an enormous amount of charitable programs and if you force them to violate the religious values, they'll shut down those programs because they're not going to violate their religious values. so the court's trying to get everyone here to try to find a middle ground. arthel: right. if you are part of the catholic charities organizations, you donate to them, you want your -- you uphold -- you're in sync with their values, you don't want your values sort of dismissed at the same time. so i get it. let's go to texas. the supreme court of the united states is in big trouble in texas for upholding obamacare, deciding that the affordable care act is constitutional. as you know, this is the third time the gop tried to get obamacare overturned. why are they upset? and will they try again? >> well, quite frankly i think a that they need to step back a bit about this case.