we have to send demand letters and we have to threaten to sue otherwise we get mischaracterized and get the boot from social media. >> tucker: and so it's not just a question of honor, not just a duel. they insulted you, it's a direct threat to your business model. >> absolutely. depend on social networks for traffic to our site and if we lose the social networks and we lose our business. it's really a self-preservation thing, it's about survival. >> tucker: how interesting, i misread this completely. "the new york times" by calling it disinformation site is in effect threatening to shut you down. >> yeah, and i think that's a deliberate strategy. the fake news has been a concern for social networks for the last several years and they've been trying to find ways to fact-check and the platform and demonetize an deboost people who are spreading fake news on the platforms. so the legacy media, leftist