real thought that it could have escaped from a lab in this pandemic did have some jump in the wild. that's why we need record samples with personal. it's amazing that after year and a half of the initial outbreak we still don't have that. >> bill: what do you think. >> what do i think? i think it's terrible. >> bill: in terms of the origin. what do you think? speak up i have this on my jamie metal.com website. i think it's most likely a lab incident origin. it starts and wuhan where they don't have any horseshoe bats in the wild. they have china's only level for virology institute with the