about it so activist investors that just want stocks to go up, plenty political activist investors -- >> sandra: i'm trying to think what sectors would respond to this. the technology sector has been very vocal on climate issues. >> they're already pushing exxon. they forced a couple of big funds like black rock, which is reason by a very progressive cpo, larry fink pushed exxon to put on its board an activist investor -- >> sandra: we covered it here. >> all of this climate change stuff on exxon's board. think about it. exxon makes money drilling for oil. they want exxon to be more woke in terms of the climate. it's mind boggling. >> sandra: let's go back to the basics. can gary gensler put something