>> sandra: he said in that interview that attacks on dr. anthony fauci are attacks on science, so many americans are left at asking the question, is science the reason he had to change his messaging on mask wearing early on in the pandemic and for his early dismissal of the possibility of a lawn lab leak? >> it's very egotistical for him to equate himself to science which is pretty much a god in our society. there's not a lot of self-reflection happening there and the reason that people are angry with dr. fauci is not just that he was consistently inconsistent and gave modeled messages at a time we needed clear messages, no one blames him or anybody for sort of changing advice as the science changes, but that's not what happened. he deliberately lied to us about masks and herd immunity and lots of other things but the worst