mad dog killer, right? who's leveraging, most effectively, both effective cover and superior firepower. and it is a very, very dangerous mix. this guy has to be shot like a dog in a yard. he is a bad guy. and i think the negotiation phase is out the window. and this is someone who can't be negotiated with, and patience, to ted's point, your point, sean, is central and key to closing this out. >> sean: i agree with the patience, but i also agree, a certain bit of unpredictability. brother rivera, maybe he is not accepting them to come in right away, but first and foremost, we have to worry about the safety of the officers, that team that will go in the room, they will all be risking their life. >> you know, sean, you spoke of my long career. in 1985, i covered the move -- black liberation group, allegations with child abuse,