wakes up in the morning saying children should not be for sale. his office, people in his administration, they live it daily. but there are so few of these guys. but they'll make laws and feel good and say look, we changed a law. an eight-year-old is no longer a prostitute. she's now a victim. fantastic. show me that the guy who bought sex from her is going to get 30 years in prison and then i'll listen to you. but they don't. they bump it down to a misdemeanor case, they don't try him as a trafficker like what epstein should be tried -- mark: i want to ask you. is this part of the mentality that led to, well, the initial deal with epstein? the guy barely serves any time. >> of course. mark: and now, of course, it's coming back to haunt him. but you say it's not coming back to haunt him. >> if you really think -- peoplt organizations that really fight